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At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. Obama had none. I learned the hard way. Even did something positive. It isnt happening now. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Video1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat, How 10% of Nigerian registered voters delivered victory, Sake brewers toast big rise in global sales, The Indian-American CEO who wants to be US president, Blackpink lead top stars back on the road in Asia, Exploring the rigging claims in Nigeria's elections, 'Wales is in England' gaffe sparks TikToker's trip. Fryers book was monumental, inspiring conferences, publications, the setting up of local history groups, the establishment of Black History Month, and radio and television programmes. not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. However, it applies to at least 80% of Americans. Not a big fan of the odd human sacrifice Im afraid, even though I might just be of very partial Scandinavian descent myself. Fair point. Sloane witnessed and later became part of a system ruled by terror. Olusoga, who presents the BBC documentary series A House Through Time, told presenter Lauren Laverne that racism was "just the background hum of life" when he was growing up. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. Yet theyre so many centuries and generations removed from the crime, everybody involved with the decision-making is long-dead and while the responsible state still exists, in practice compensation comes from taxes paid by citizens who had no part in it all. I do not see what is different between a plantation in Africa and a plantation in Virginia. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. But morals are very transient things. The exception is Tim Worstall, who is truly the Ron Jeremy of blogging. 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . Whoever has the upper-hand in power political, cultural, economic, military or whatever other form is decisive at that moment. It doesnt end with the parties saying Well that was pleasantly intellectually stimulating, now lets have a nice game of cricket Youre opponents are not playing by the same rules as you are. It was such a brilliantly organised programme of mass protest that slavery was declared abolished in 1833: 46,000 slave owners were given 20m in compensation (17bn in todays money), the largest payout in British history and 40 per cent of all government spending that year. "I first read it as a student and it struck me as something that was very different to other things I was reading about the Atlantic slave trade. Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. David Olusoga (If the likes of SMFS believe Western society will fall apart without a return to traditional Christian-inspired values, I suggest they either don a pessimists crash-helmet or just cling on and enjoy the ride to Hell in their top-gear handcart. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. Prof David Olusoga has presented numerous documentaries including A House Through Time and Black and Black and British: A Forgotten History, Olaudah Equiano played a role in Britain's abolishment of slavery, Performer Giles Terera has written a play featuring Equiano, Prof Olusoga said when it was published, people did not believe the book was by an African as it was deemed so well written, Bernardine Evaristo (second left) has launched a series called Black Britain: Writing Back which features novels by black British authors that have been overlooked, Should black history be taught all year round? Then the adult men became profitable too. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? Now they do. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. You may concede a point here, a point there. And any reparations should be paid 50% by the African states for the areas which sold the slaves and pocketed the proceeds. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. Sure. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. Married an American GI after the war. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. What is their strongest argument? Not sure how sick this makes me. Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. West Indians fought with the Allies more than a hundred were decorated. Read about our approach to external linking. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. But any planter who deliberately starved his slaves to death would quickly go bust. "The phenomena of which he is iconic is one that we have written out, edited out of our nation. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards.. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. Although I would expect the Germans, and perhaps even the Japanese, to be happy they lost the war. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. The novel became the bestselling book of 19th-century Britain; it was adapted for the theatre and generated mass-produced merchandise playing cards, jigsaws, tableware. It happened. . If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister, since had I not done so, its quite possible though we cannot be sure that someone else would have tortured her then murdered her, which is even worse, so whos the real criminal? Which is that I still murdered your sister. Africans had a demand for female slaves. I think it's an astonishing achievement.". But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. And Britain worked for the whole of the 19th century to put down slavery in Africa. In America few were castrated, which is why there are now >40 million descendants there. Within the EU the two most common ages of consent are 14 and 15 (if Ive done my counting correctly), though in some but not all cases thats with additional restrictions on permissible age gaps. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Rather that certain western states, still in existence therefore potentially still liable, regulated and indeed encouraged the development of both the transatlantic slave trade and the slave-labour economic systems of the colonies, at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. He talks about slavery because YOU care. They organised a boycott of sugar, produced more petitions and hosted meetings. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. . Fought to STOP southern independence. This year, return to Neverland. TV presenter David Olusoga has told the Edinburgh TV Festival his career had sometimes left him feeling "crushed, isolated," and "disempowered". I know. Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. John Mandeville, whose travelogue (circa 1356) was one of the most widely translated books of the later Middle Ages, presented Africans as naked savages living amid heaps of gold to which they gave no value. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. David Olusoga, 49, is a television presenter and historian. It was far too real to her. Nobody will stop you, honest. For almost 60 years, there was impasse. The Benin Dialogue Group announced it had brokered an agreement that will see "some of the most iconic" of the bronzes returned to Benin City, Nigeria, where they will be housed in the soon-to-be-built Benin Royal Museum. As for the future, the University of Manchester professor says younger generations give him hope. My great, great, grandfather was one. "They're not looking to history only to make them feel good and give them comfort, but they're looking to history to tell them things about truths about their society that we have traditionally edited out of British history.". Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. He previously worked at JP Morgan for 18 years in a number of senior roles and was . Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. . That assumes an increase in demand. A newsletter showcasing the finest writing from the ideas section, covering political ideas, philosophy, criticism and intellectual history - sent every Wednesday. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. I assume these were usually killed before Europeans turned up and bought them. Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. But its still awful, even on a historical scale. He was immersed in it. Dr Peter Olusoga is a senior psychology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam university. His rhetoric is to inflame the reader. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. This seems rather unlikely. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. 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Very often shaped by the political, technological and economic forces of the times if the Western way of life had remained utterly dependent on Roman-style slavery, Im not sure wed ever have abolished it even amongst our own inhabitants. During the Second World War, thousands of black American soldiers stationed in Britain were befriended by white Britons who opposed efforts by the white military to segregate them. Their cities, as well as their comfort, will rapidly decay. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. That may have caused more violence. MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour?, True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral., But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom.. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. What do you think their stongest argument is? To me personally, this is the thing. It wasnt always so & it may not be in the future. Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. 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